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Gripe Sites

By John Donovan

The article printed below is from our archives. It is about gripe web sites such as this one and contains a warning by Guy Martin, of the law firm Carter-Ruck concerning “potentially disastrous legal consequences for making untrue allegations which are defamatory of companies or individuals…” 

It is therefore a testimony to our caution and good judgement that after nearly two decades of operating websites focused on Royal Dutch Shell, the evil oil giant and its in-house army of 600 litigators have self-evidently never had grounds to sue us for defamation.

This is despite the fact that we have categorically stated that the company is responsible for a multitude of corporate sins, including corruption, IT theft, horrendous pollution, industrial espionage, bullying of suppliers and employees, putting profits before employee safety and committing massive securities fraud against its own shareholders.

We have also drawn attention to Shell’s close relationship and financial support for Hitler and the Nazi Party, which arguably cost tens of millions of lives.

Plainly all of these allegations are well-founded, or otherwise Shell would have taken legal action against us long ago.


The Independent: Power to the people in the fight against corporations.

Fed up with a product, service or company? Then share it with millions online

By Rob Griffin

Published: 07 May 2005

They are the new breed of consumer champions. Passionate, computer-literate professionals who are hitting back at companies by providing forums for angry shoppers to share their nightmare experiences.

These high-street superheroes have set up hundreds of websites during the past couple of years. Each one highlights what are perceived to be poor-quality products, potential scams or dismal customer service.

It’s a very effective approach. Every month, the most successful websites receive millions of hits from consumers eager to take revenge on corporations by airing their grievances.

Lisa Jones, editor of .net magazine, believes a sharp rise in the number of homes with high-speed internet connections has helped fuel the enthusiasm for these so-called gripe sites.

“The appeal of the internet to consumers is that they find it cheap and easy to post information, and they know it’s probably going to be read by a lot of people,” she says. “In the past, they had to write to the editor of their local paper, where it would have to be selected and edited before appearing. The community aspect of forums means that they can find out if others have had similar experiences. It’s all about people power.”

But even in this relatively new hi-tech world, the sites’ approaches vary. Some focus on a single issue, while others encourage dissatisfied customers to exchange information on a variety of topics.

In addition to (see below), there are now plenty of specialist message boards and chat rooms where such problems are discussed. They include, which encourages visitors to leave comments – good and bad – about companies they have used, and which features consumer issues among a diverse range of topics.

Some sites take a particularly hard line on individual firms. Often they begin life as the result of a particularly bad experience, but end up getting support from people who claim to have had similar problems.

Richard Dobbie, a graphic designer, started a site – – last year to protest about the problems he claimed to have endured with the pluspoints loyalty scheme operated by petrol station giant Shell.

The 29-year-old discovered serious discrepancies between the number of points he had earned and those that had been credited to his card. He contacted customer services, but, after running out of patience, he decided on a more drastic course of action.

“I noticed the website was and then found the version was available, so I bought it for a few pounds,” he recalls. “I posted an account of what had happened to me and put an e-mail address asking anyone who had similar problems to get in contact. It snowballed from then.”

Dobbie, who claims to have received more than 600 e-mails since the site went live, is now in talks with Shell about selling the domain name. While reluctant to be drawn on the actual amount sought, he says he wants a five-figure sum.

But Shell defends the scheme, which it insists is “valued by customers” and offers competitive rewards. The company also says the dispute had now been amicably resolved – a claim which is denied by Dobbie.

“Shell takes the views of its customers very seriously,” its statement says. “In response to a small number of concerns, we changed the customer service response, so that pluspoints can be awarded over the telephone. When errors do occur, we are more than happy to recompense customers.”

No industry is free of complaints. A five-minute trawl on the internet provides access to numerous sites targeting particular companies and industries. There are sites focused on a string of companies and services, such as BT Openworld, BMW, Ford, Volkswagen and American Express. Some sites look highly professional and have a serious message; while other sites are clearly just mad rants.

For example, typing “natwest bank” into one search engine not only gives you links to sites affiliated with the bank itself, but also to a site named, set up by a disgruntled former customer.

The bank is very much aware of this site’s presence. “NatWest takes the issue of sites such as this one very seriously,” says a spokeswoman. “We regularly monitor the use of our brand names on third party sites, and we will not hesitate to take action as and where appropriate.”

Microsoft, the software giant, has also come under attack from online opponents. Dheeraj Vasishta, 30, a self-employed IT consultant from New Jersey in the US, is behind the website

The site, which looks very similar to the design of official Microsoft pages, criticises the way the company goes about its business, while visitors suggest buying software packages produced by rival companies instead.

“The site is better known among technical people, where it has almost household name status,” he explains. “People can discuss their own experiences of Microsoft products or talk about better alternatives they have found elsewhere.”

Unsurprisingly, the site hasn’t gone unnoticed by Microsoft itself. “Our main concern is that customers know how to get hold of legitimate information about Microsoft, rather than being phased by these sites,” says a spokesman. “We have seen it, and it’s quite obvious from the content that it’s not an official Microsoft site.”

Some consumer websites are now shunning the confrontational response in favour of building bridges with the companies they criticise.

One such example is As well as providing a chat forum to share experiences, it also has detailed information on consumer rights, complaints procedures and even links to the firms themselves.

Stuart McCandlish, the 36-year-old founder, whose day job is banking, says the site has proved popular. As well as receiving more than a million hits each month, it also handles up to 50 complaints every day.

“Our aim is to bring consumers and companies together,” McCandlish explains. “People can complain about pretty much everything, but can also get access to help and advice.”

The trend for this consumer approach is likely to continue. Last month, BT signed up its five millionth broadband customer – a year ahead of schedule. By this summer, it is predicted that 99.6 per cent of the UK’s households and businesses will be connected to broadband-enabled telephone exchanges.

Setting up a website is also increasingly easy. Many service-providers offer free space as part of the monthly connection package, while a domain name will only set you back a few pounds every year.

You don’t even need design skills to produce your pages, as specialist web companies can provide a variety of templates. You just add the content.

However, anyone considering starting up their own such site must be aware that there are potentially disastrous legal consequences for making untrue allegations which are defamatory of companies or individuals, warns Guy Martin, of law firm Carter-Ruck.

“If what they have written is defamatory, they will need to be able to provide evidence admissible in a court proving that what they are alleging is substantially true,” he explains. “If they are sued – and lose – it could cost them hundreds of thousands of pounds.”

As is often the case with legal issues, nothing is straightforward. The general definition of defamation is something said which lowers a person or company in the estimation of others. Also, if the material is defamatory, the claimant hasn’t got to prove they have suffered any particular loss – the court will automatically assume that damage has been done to their reputation.

“If someone is criticising goods produced by a company, that may not be defamatory of the company itself – it all depends on the context and language used,” adds Martin.

“However, they would need to be very careful before making an allegation that a company was fraudulent or had acted without good faith.”

Finally, don’t forget that as well as taking action through the internet, there are ways to resolve most consumers’ complaints before everything gets out of hand and both sides lose their tempers.

For example, if you have a dispute with a financial services company, City regulators run a free and independent ombudsman service that will adjudicate on your case. It also has the power to order companies to pay you compensation. and its sister non-profit websites,,,,,, and are owned by John Donovan. There is also a Wikipedia feature.

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